first the fagamorph, then now an Ubermorph? wtf? is this just bullshit trash or is this REALLY a necro unit? if it is, I dont mind and wanna see more info about it (is it that boss in chapter 1 or somethin? lol) if not, then please delete this article so we can get over this crap...seems the trollers and spammers are lurking about again..----Zerginfestor
It is a Necromoprh just near the end of the game. I guess since my info was taken down either because no spoiling or me just not following the rules. (Dankedude 06:06, January 27, 2011 (UTC))
oh sorry O_O umm tell me what does this thing look like? and I guess you gotta put spoilers up, idk, but still sounds interesting indeed, sounds like a bigger necro then the Tormentor..lol..Ubermorph..thats a bit scratching off the reference of the mighty Uberlisk in Starcraft 2 XD It was deleted for being fanon and not being stated as the canon name Rac Ward
At the end of Dead Space 2 it appears and chases Issac. It looks similar to the Slasher but grey and taller other than that is almost the same as the Hunter. If you get to the end just look for the big scary grey thing! (Dankedude 06:14, January 27, 2011 (UTC))
Until a canon name is created for the creature no fanon names will be allowed. Rac Ward
Makes sense. I didn't think it had a name unless it was the big scary thing trying to kill you! (Dankedude 06:17, January 27, 2011 (UTC))
umm ok but still..its basically a copy of the Hunter..a bit lame if you ask me, I mean they couldnt think of something more unique?? D:< so what, you just run away till you find something to kill it with?..sheesh, sounds so great >.>---Zerginfestor
It's design is different but yeah same basic premise. Believe I tried and I couldn't figure out how so I just ran away.(Dankedude 06:31, January 27, 2011 (UTC))
You can't kill it, you just gotta knock it down long enough to do what you gotta do in the room you are in and run. Also I'm sure If someone had the PC version, they could dig through the files for a model name--NHawke
Wouldn't you be able to cut off their limbs and use kinesis to pin them on walls even if you can't kill them? Haven't reached that part yet so I can't experiment, but that's what came to my mind as soon as I heard about it. Could someone check? Oh and my version is PC. Any ideas where and how I should search for names? :Agkistrodon 14:35, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
In Prima's Official strategy guide it states that it's name is the Ubermorph. Kcdude500 15:58, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
No dude, It just shrugs it off. I emptied a whole clip of the Javelin Gun and it just kept coming after me (Teh CrackShot 18:32, January 27, 2011 (UTC))
Yeah, I got a new Image registered as "Ubermorph.png", but when I scroll down the computer scrolls me back up so I can't add this Photo to the page or here. Is there a possibility somebody could do this as my Computer doesn't let me add the image. Thanks, Necromorph-X (talk) (blog) 18:10, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
Its name is "Ubermorph"? lol xD[]
I thought it was "Hunter", because of its similar capabilities (and of course its screams). If it is canonically called "Ubermorph", then oh well.
Yes, it's an Ubermorph. Prima's official strategy guide states that. It is also valid because Prima always works with the game developer when making a strategy guide. Kcdude500 23:08, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
Prima's had a history of unreliability though. We really need someone to have a peek at filenames. SteveZombie 00:24, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
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Oh so the name came from a strategy guide then? I didn't know; I hardly ever use strategy guides anymore, let alone buy them. SteveZombie made a point about the risk of inaccuracies in strategy guides, too, which I know from experience even if it was over a decade ago (back then there were all sorts of strategy guides for the same game at a time).
If it's "Ubermorph", then until something comes up, that's what we'll stick with. But I am hoping that there is some expansion upon this creature's background, because I find myself agreeing with the speculations and trivia, especially the possibility of it being a "pure" necromorph (no human host, etc)....
The article claims that the Ubermorph is might be a baby version of the hive mind BUT if it is then why is the hive mind in Dead Space 1 more killable even if you go APE SH*T on it with your weapons.
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Well, uh, there's a thing in videogames called the "plot device", and so the reason the Hive Mind could be killed was because combating it was the only way to finish the game.....plus it had all those giant sacs that could be shot up in order to kill it.
The Ubermorph, on the other hand, just so happens to be a token obstacle amongst the other necromorphs near the end of the final chapter of DS2. The Ubermorph, of all the necromorphs you encounter in this setting, cannot be killed at all.....but I will admit it sucks that it can't be killed because I was hoping killing it would yield an awesome bonus to sell at the Store.
Maybe in a sequel there will be a way to kill it, but we're probably going to wait for a few more years before we get a sequel.
It could be that since it's a baby, it needs to have the regeneration ability to protect it so it can grow, but once it reaches its adult stage it loses this ability. That's my theory. ROFL 17:41, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
What was your reaction?[]
For those of you who reached the point where the Ubermorph shows up, what was your reaction when you realized it was like the Hunter? Mine was more on the lines of, "That is some bullshit! You can't be serious!" Any other reactons?Razr459 05:16, January 30, 2011 (UTC)Razr459
Me? I was like; "Hi again... (laughs nervously) You're not pissed about me Burning you to death?" Necromorph-X (talk) (blog) 12:57, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
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When I first heard it scream, well, first I was thinking "Aw c'mon I just got out of the machine and I need to hack this system!".....but when it burst through the vent and came walking toward me, with its familiar scream, grunting, and rather familiar walking motion, I was thinking, ".....I know you!!" and so when I "killed" it, its limbs began growing back, and I knew for sure at that time that this was a Hunter I was dealing with.
Ironically, it's not really "The Hunter". This "Übermorph", as it's called, could be a new type of necromorph......a pure necromorph, no less, a creature that didn't result from a human host. Some are saying that it may not even be a necromorph at all, but perhaps another species (perhaps the makers of the Marker? Eh, no). I hate to admit it, but this creature got me fixated, and I'm seriously looking forward to new information concerning this creature's background, and hoping Visceral will shed some light in due time (but they won't now because we're left with guessing, which is alright for now).
When i first heard its roar (like the hunter) im like, "where have I heard that before?". When i saw the Ubermorph jump out of the vent I simply said "You got to be shitting me". (Teh CrackShot 15:54, February 4, 2011 (UTC))
when i first saw it i thought: damn knock off necromorph!..later owndeirng what made it?....i noticed on the revist ot the usg ishumura...there were TWO tanks..one tohugh..undevloped...cauld this be the "ubermorph"?!?!?!
When it first came I was like "Look, a unique slasher, might as well kill it." When it started regenerating I was like "Oh shit, it's back!"
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The first few seconds I saw it, I thought it was a just a cool looking new Necromorph. When I looked at it closely, heard that growl, and saw it regenerate its limbs, I said "You again, you bastard.". I really enjoyed and I really hated fighting The Hunter in the first game and I was kind of exited and annoyed that I got to fight him again.
When I first played, I had a feeling the Hunter would return somewhere in the game. I remember my friend and I were speculating it at the lunch table at school. When I got to chapter 10 I figured there'd be another one there, since there was another body in Mercer's tank, but nothing happened. Finally when I got to the part at the end of the game where you release all of the necromorphs onto the soldiers, when I saw something peculiar in the middle of the crowd, I knew that was it. I only caught a glimpse of it but I knew. Being the only thing in Dead Space that actually scared me, when it finally confronted me after the eye poke machine I felt like shooting myself in the head. ROFL 17:53, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
...Or is it?[]
I was thinking about this since Dead Space 1:
What if this thing is the Hunter? Since the Hunter can regenerate itself, all its lost limbs, etc., and no one ever gave that a limit (or voiced it, at least) so is it possible to assume that some shred, even a microbe, of the Hunter survived the incineration and it just took 3 years to rebuild itself? And in that time, had some sort of evolution or connection to the Hive Mind or something? I was pretty convinced of this, personally, and even said after defeating it in the first game "I bet this will appear as a boss again in the second game...". What are your opinions?
~Tobi
No, its not likely. The Hunter was "Manmade", therefore is cannonly not a True Necromorph, simply a work of man. This Necromorph is "Pure". It hasn't had some mad Russian dude working on him keeping him in a Jar. Necromorph-X (talk) (blog) 12:59, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
Also there is evidence that there are more than one or atleast are capable of there being more than one as many slasher's begin growing the 5 eyes
Okay, well I never noticed the 5-eyed Slashers, but how can we say this is a pure Necromorph? Is there any proof of this? If so, I'd like to see it. I know this is difficult to work with, but the concept seems to have some fact towards it, seeing as even in the Hunter's page, it notes the similarities between the two. Clarification?
~Tobi
I think this is a advance stage of necromorph infection, the next stage of evolution, "the converge", or simple is a experiment of the goverment with the necromorph virus. (Tricell 13:16, February 1, 2011)
Content of the trivia section[]
We obviously know very little about this Necromorph, but people are being a bit too liberal with their theories and speculation of this thing. Should we remove a few of them? Qsvgxn 20:42, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
They are getting pretty speculative. I think until we get some more info on the Ubermorph, we should get rid of all the talk about how it may be a younger Hive Mind and how it could be a different alien altogether. Anyone else agree? Razr459 21:41, January 30, 2011 (UTC)Razr459
Personally I think that this 2 theory make a sense...I suggest to don't remove them cause they give light on a totally unknown alien....and really " complete " this page ! we could even make a locked section, only for this creature, called " Primary Theory " or something similar.... Exxere 21:55, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
Speculation isn't going to complete this page, especially when the article starts contradicting and arguing with itself. We need to remove everything that isn't known for sure. SteveZombie 00:23, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
Removed speculation and deleted that last trivia bullet since it was redundant with a latter trivia bullet on the page. Also removed the line about how there is no evidence that there is only one Ubermorph and that the Marker makes Slashers into Ubermorphs. There is a statement about the development of Ubermorph like characterstics already on the page. Combined with the image in the gallery showing the Slashers in question this already implies that the Slashers are growing into Ubermorphs so there is no reason to keep the removed lines.
Also, why can I not put a line break between mine and SteverZombie's post eh?
Qsvgxn 01:32, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
Oh, the name..[]
ok, first off, I haven't reached the part in the game where you (obviously) fight this thing, and I have not allowed myself to read anyhting about it yet, so please no spoilers.
Now, please tell me that it was not given its name from an official source and some of you came up with it, so we can change it :)
It's horrible. (sorry to whoever came up with it, but it is :P ) Noemon *talk* 01:43, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
If you read the above comments you'll find that the name comes from Prima's strategy guide which is apparently written in tandem with Visceral so as of now it's the most official name we have. Might be subject to change but I doubt it. Qsvgxn 01:49, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
Well, as I said, I haven't read anything about it yet, the comments included for obvious reasons :)
it seems that this is its official (horrible) name then, if the prima guide says so. Noemon *talk* 01:59, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
I would have named it "The Super-DooperMorph." But that's just me. --LBCCCP 03:22, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
I call this Inmortal not Ubermorph (Tricell 13:22, February 1, 2011)
Geth Necromorph[]
If you've played Mass Effect: Does anyone else think this kind of looks like a Geth necromorph? Like Like the head and torso - especially the head. --LBCCCP 18:41, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
I guess. It'd be cool to see Shep fighting off the Necromorph threat. Knowing Shep, though, he'd probably just punch 'em in the face and say a cool one-liner before proceeding to anger Concerened Mothers with another sex-scene. Captain tweed 21:29, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
Yep, that's definately what Isaac needs - a space ship and somebody to calibrate it. A super laser on it would just complete DS3 in a couple of seconds. Zombified Planet Cracker? FIRE THE MAIN GUN! Captain tweed 07:41, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
Uber...?[]
Why is this necro unit not have an awesome name like the others? "Uber"? What the HELL... Like Gay shit.
Prima Official Guide, which is canon, states it's name as Ubermorph. You are free to call it whatever you like. Komodo Saurian 19:03, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, like how I call it Tim. "There are some who call me... OH DEAR GOD IT'S GOD SCYTHES FOR ARMS! LOOK AT THE BONES!"
Holy crap I never thought anybody else had seen that movie :D. But yeah I call it Ubermorph. Cuz it be Uber. Very Uber.
Can you really see it on chapter 13?[]
Can anyone actually CONFIRM that you see it coming inside the government sector during chapter 13? I've tried twice to see it, but I didn't manage to do so. It is too dark, and the light from your weapon doesn't really do much to allow you to see. --Noemon *talk* 21:02, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
hmm, I don't know , that looks 'shoped --Noemon *talk* 21:36, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
I just played Chapter 13, and I saw the fag. When you pull the energy thingy out of it's socket, lights fail and dozens of necromorphs pour in towards the soldiers, right? You can see the Ubermorph in the middle of one of the waves below, and he's not hidden, he's actually pretty clearly... distinct. -- D. Cello 02:33, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
I saw that the first time I played -.- And I got it the day it came out. ROFL 17:58, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
It's called the "regenerator"[]
check out this video:
Questions with Steve Episode 06
It's called Ubermorph. Steve just went with the name player gave it in the question. [ sarcasm ] He also names it HUNTER, so lets rename it HUNTER 2, THE. [ /sarcasm ] Komodo Saurian 17:22, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
I thought...[]
Well when I first ran into this beast I was thinking to myself, what if this what the alien race that created the Marker looks like. I mean it looked pretty symmetrical to be another Necromorph. Then I looked it up and found out that it is actually the "Ubermorph" lol, that would be cool though if it were the maker of the Marker.
Well, if it's a Necromorph, it's just a spread of them. As such, they can't be the makers of the Marker as it contained the Necromorph code. And sign your posts, please.
Oh, and many sources prove that the Marker, be it Gold, Black, or Red, are man-made.
Except the first marker which was found, but that's not an important detail... 81.148.219.121 05:43, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
The Ubermorph?[]
I've been thinking about this for a while. Shouldn't the name of the article be "The Ubermorph"? Like "The Leviathan"and "The Hive Mind"? I mean,there's only one of them, it's an advanced Necromorph form, and it serves as a boss, of sorts. Just having "Ubermorph" makes it sound like a common enemy. I'm just looking for confirmation. Razr459 05:44, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
I agree on this one. When Tricell went on a name-changing spree, this was the only one that actually made sense, but since he did it arbitarily it had to be undone. Anyway, point is, I think it should be renamed to '"The Ubermorph" for the reasons you stated above. Let's see what others think though. --Noemon *talk* 12:47, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
Until we see another one, I'd argue there's only the one Ubermorph. Plus, with the criteria mentioned by Steve Papoutsis, I can't imagine there being more than two at the most before the Sprawl's destruction. I support the change to The Ubermorph. Captain tweed 17:05, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
Info to add on this page[]
have you guys ever noticed that necromorph that burst though a wall right after a woman screams "no, i'm not leaving my mother" and a guy drags her away.
have you looked at his face ?hes unique ,i mean "she" it was woman before necroing, anyway ,if you look at his face you WILL see on THAT necro five eye like dots,and only on that necro.
i belive this is kind of important info to be put in here at least on "trivia" ,but i need a screen shot ,it is a few minutes after the fight with the first tripod ,on chapter 2
That's just a Spitter. It has zit-like areas all over its face, and they can easily be mistaken for eyes.
Darth Plagueis 00:07, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
so you guys belive its just a coecidence?kmon really? the zits that looks like eyes things its placed the exact same way as the ubermorph and they are pretty very effing simillar,if they are zits the ones on the ubermorphs face must be zits too ,plus i have yet to see one of those spit on me ,all the spitters i remember were fully naked. Mateus Rodrigues 02:11, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Let's be real here. None of us know if those zits on the Spitter's face mean anything or not. So until we get some confirmation, anything on the matter is just speculation, and isn't allowed on the article. Razr459 11:55, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
There is a few spots where you can kill the Ubermorph. But I think they might be glitches. One is a vent in the room that the Ubermorph Chases you in and you use the force gun to push it into a fan that is on the far end of the wall. There is no blood so thats why I bet its a glitch. Another one is where you lock the Ubermorph in a corridor where the doors close and lock the Ubermoph inside. Otherwise there is no way to actually kill the creature with your weapons. halseymj 13:39, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
The Ubermorph and the hive mind[]
i have to say that if u look at the ubermoph closely it has most of the same features as the hive mind does ...randing from the face to its ribs to the extra limbs...im not sur if i can say this yet but it seems to mee that the ubermorph could be an early form of the hive mind and its heading to the marker as it may be a key "ingredient" to a convergence eventPorkchopdude12 17:40, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
Is it possible that the ubermorph is just a pre-hivemind?[]
Did anyone else notice notice some of the similarities between the hivemind from deadspace one, and the ubermorph? For instance, the "eyes" on the ubermorph are in the exact same placement as the first weakpoints on the hivemind. and in the final boss fight, after you blast nicole and make the marker appear, if you wait long enough you'll see what looks like the ubermorph head at the size of the hive mind coming from behind the marker a litle bit before it dissapears and nicole comes back.
Two More Theories About Its Origin...[]
First, as Steve himself said about the Ubermorph, it's essentially just a more advanced Necromorph. The Necromorphs themselves are imperfect creations made using the genetic codes provided by the Marker, we've been told over and over that the Red Markers are imperfect versions of the Black ones and the Necromorphs they create are only a fraction of what they're "supposed" to be as a result. My theory is that the Black Marker was a last ditch effort by some endangered alien race to get other beings to rebuild them, and the Ubermorph is just one step above the rest of the Necromorphs when it comes to rebuilding a perfect body of this alien race.
Which brings me to my second theory, which is how exactly its made and why there's only one of it. It only appears in Chapter 13 when the Necromorphs first rush the Government Sector, and is slowly walking down the middle with all the rest of the Necromorph horde rushing around it, as though it is dominant over them in some way. The vision of Nicole that the Marker produces in the final battle tells us that the Makers of the Marker are crucial to absorb in order to properly trigger convergence, so consider this: Stross is murdered near the end of Chapter 11, shortly before the first appearance of the superior Ubermorph. Considering my previous theory that the Ubermorph is just a step closer to being the perfect recreation of the original alien race, it may then follow that the advanced knowledge of the Marker and its creations that Stross would possess through his dementia allowed his inevitably infected body to become more advanced than others, to the point of seemingly being almost revered by the rest of the Necromorph collective and acknowledging him as a more superior being (the rush on Government Sector in Chapter 13.) That could explain why we only see one Ubermorph through the whole game, and why it only appears shortly after Stross is killed.
tl;dr: The Ubermorph is Stross and its alien appearance is credited to it being genetically closer to the original alien race behind the Black Marker than any other Necromorph, due to it having the advantage of being able to utilize the additional Marker genetic formulas through the memories supplied by Stross' dementia.
But they are just theories, so... Supertologist(talk) 21:39, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
I also believe everything mentioned in the first paragraph. But ,eh, I don't think that the codes stored in Stross' head contributed in any way to make him the Ubermorph, if he did get transformed at all. The codes were nothing more than neuron synapses. --Noemon *talk* 21:58, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
That is what I was going to type for a response, but I decided to keep mine short... Supertologist(talk) 00:11, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
There might actually be something to this that we haven't considered. Perhaps it's less the codes in stross's mind then the fact that stross has a highly intelligent mind and had previous contact with a marker. The marker found in gov sec like the other markers appears to have some form of intelligence I.E. creating complex (and painful) emotional conections with issac and stross using dead loved ones as a template.
The marker also has an effect on necromorphs, mainly attracting them.
Perhaps the marker facilitated Stross becoming a more advanced Necromorph to support the goals it displayed, attempting to bring it's creators to it and "convert" them to cause a convergence event.
The ubermorph also focused it's attention solely on issac but the simpler answer of hunting makes more sence.
Unbeknownst to most people, the Ubermorph is actually the first Hunter you encounter in Dead Space 1. It was frozen by Isaac in an attempt to neutralize it, and in Dead Space 2 it escapes from the Ishimura when it is reawakened, when contact with the new marker is restored, and somehow unthawed. The second Hunter you encounter in Dead Space 1 which you eventually vaporize later, is actually a second Hunter created by Dr. (name needed). You can clearly see him injecting the necromorph serum directly into another captured crewmembers cranium Dead Space 1 on chapter (chapter # needed).
Seems reasonable enough to me. You got reason to believe otherwise then tell me. This is pretty much proven. I cant see why Im the only one who knows this (or at least believes this).
First, please sign your posts with four of these : ~.
Anyway, that is speculation. That means it is not true. Supertologist(talk) 18:11, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
67.132.248.2 17:13, September 1, 2011 (UTC) More speculatory than assuming the Ubermorph is an evolved slasher? My reasoning is solid. You need to come up with a better counterargument other than "your wrong". You can clearly see in Dead Space 1 that more than one Hunter was created. The ishimura does in fact come into contact with the space station in DS 2. If you dont respond within a day Im reposting.
Can you prove there is more than 1 Hunter?
If you repost it without agreement, it's just getting removed again.
Though I like to believe The Ubermorph is the Hunter, there is no proof the first and second Hunter from DS1 aren't the same.--Shade 17:22, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
67.132.248.2 17:33, September 1, 2011 (UTC)First of all, Im not stupid. I know it will be removed over and over. You say I cant prove it. TECHNICALLY, that is true. However, it is no more solid an argument than assuming the Ubermorph is an evolved slasher. Especially since, if that were true, there would be more Ubermorphs, correct? So whats more likely; that a slasher just randomly mutated into an evolved Hunter, or that the Frozen Hunter from DS1 (you can clearly see the good Dr injecting Necromorph tissue into ANOTHER captured crewmember, and that is the one you vaporize later in the game. You never encounter the one you froze previously) took its sweet time that it had to evolve while frozen (2 years)?
Hi, please place your signature after your comment, not before. Also, please keep it civil. :)
As for the discussion, I have to say that there is not much concrete evidence to say that the Ubermorph is the first Hunter from Dead Space. As of now, the easiest explanation will apply, that is the Hunter we froze in Dead Space is also the one we successfully barbecued when activating the Executive Shuttle. Therefore, the Ubermorph would not be the first Hunter we encountered in the first Dead Space; it would be an entirely new form not created by the good doctor, and not the one released from the Ishimura; hence its origin is still a mystery... unless Visceral releases more information. :P — subtank(7alk) 17:52, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
I never called you stupid.
Do you have proof? That's all I'm asking.
How do you know that crewmember was being turned into a Hunter?
So far, the only possible solid evidence is the creators saying they're the same.--Shade 17:39, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
I believe Steve was focusing more on the "Regenerative" aspect rather on the "Hunter" form. — subtank(7alk) 17:54, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
67.132.248.2 18:13, September 1, 2011 (UTC)In the Hunter wikia for DS1, it states that a hunter is created by injecting necromorph DNA directly into a persons cranium. The first Hunter you encounter In DS1 was in a tank (assume he injected N DNA into a persons cranium, either alive or dead, and then stuffed him into the tank to watch the results). He escapes from the tank and you defeat it by cryo freezing it. Later in the game, you see the Dr inject N DNA into another captured crewmembers cranium. This is in the area where there is that diner. I cannot recall the chapter or specific location but you can conclude (through common sense) that since that same body disappears shortly thereafter, that it is the second Hunter you encounter which you eventually vaporize. If not the Ubermorph wikia to be changed, definitally the hunter wikia should be changed. You fight two different hunters in DS1.
You mean Jacob Temple? The doctor did that to allow an Infector to easily infect the body, turning it into a Slasher... quite a common process. Also, it is not an injection, but more of a metal stake/pole... — subtank(7alk) 18:18, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
Subtank and Shade Link just beat me to what I was going to say...
Oh well. Continue with the conversation. Supertologist(talk) 18:34, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
67.132.248.2 19:32, September 1, 2011 (UTC)"You mean Jacob Temple? The doctor did that to allow an Infector to easily infect the body, turning it into a Slasher... quite a common process. Also, it is not an injection, but more of a metal stake/pole.." I have no idea where you got that from. If thats not how a regenerator is created, then how? Whats more likely; the guy stabs people in the head so the infectors dont have to do so much work, or, he injects necromorph DNA directly into a persons cranium to create a regenerator.
Ok, see this. Let me magnify his right hand for you.
It does not look like an injection of any kind. It's a metal stake. Also, you must have noticed that all of the crew's bodies in chapter 10 of DS had a stain of blood on the bandages covering their head, indicating a trauma underneath probably inflicted to them in the same manner as the one on Temple. With what you said above you suggest that all of these bodies should have turned into Hunters, which is not what happened. --Noemon *talk* 19:56, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I have given some thought about that, but there isn't enough evidence to support the claim so I just decided to drop it until more evidence comes around. But yeah I do believe there is a possibility that it could be the other test subject Dr. Mercer was working on. Since it obviously can't be the first one since it got completely incinerated. The second subject may have super-evolved in it's dormancy in the three years between DS1 and 2, and when the Site 12 Marker reactivated the Necromorphs, it may have awakened and broke out into the Sprawl. I also speculated that Dr. Mercer's first intentions was to create another Hive Mind, since the Ubermorph shares resemblance to it. Although of course it would take many many more years for it to fully evolve. Of course it could just be a pre-mature Hive Mind overall, not created my Dr. Mercer, or it could just be a super-enhanced Slasher. Maybe all Necromorphs are destined to evolve into Hive Minds. Who knows? The theories are endless. But I mostly believe in either it was the second subject, or just a naturally formed pre-mature Hive Mind. Ishimura Elite 19:48, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
Interesting. However, he still could have placed the growth that you see on the walls of the ship (Necro DNA) into the cranium without an injector (no doubt you already realized that). Also, similar to how urroboros works in RE5, only allowing evolution and complete independant control to those deemed "worthy", this might also be the case in DS. He might have placed DNA in all the craniums of those people you mentioned, but none of them had the right stuff to become Hunters. However, I should also say your idea has no more solid evidence than mine does. Both of our ideas are equally speculative, if your to still consider mine speculation. Anyways, I dont remember people's heads being specifically bandaged, so I cant really agree with that yet unless you would be so kind as to present another picture. Also, it clearly says in the Hunter wikia exactly what I said about how Hunters are created, and If I was to guess, i would say it is there because everyone agreed to it.67.132.248.2 20:19, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
Ok, you have to realise that what you claim is speculation just from the amount of mights and coulds you use. However, even in the case that one sees the current accepted scenario as 'speculation', as Subtank said before, then from all the speculations proposed, the one that provides the easiest explanation on the matter shall apply. Also, here is a picture of some crew members. The bandages covering the head are visible but the bloodstain not quite. I'm sure if you check any videos from that chapter you should be able to see in more detail. Finally, regarding the Hunter article, my guess is that the source for that part must be a log in which case the log should be provided in the sources. If it's not, you may have just spotted a piece of information that is not confirmed so it should probably go to the talk page. --Noemon *talk* 20:45, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
Unless Im missing something, this is just one giant SPECULATION witch hunt. By stating my idea is speculation, you state there are some inconclusive things about it yes? Yet you have not told me exactly what doesnt seem to add up about my idea yes? Im going to state a series of facts and then after that draw some painfully obvious conclusions from them. First, Isaac meets Dr. Templar in X chapter who releases a Hunter on Isaac. Isaac freezes him and the computer tells you it is being transported to a frozen storage area. Can we agree that its unlikely it could have escaped by itself, and that there is no conclusive evidence that someone thawed it out? So shortly before another Hunter encounter, Templar stabs a bound crewmember's skull. This is the part that gets a little speculatory, but I think is so damn obvious it doesnt matter. Can we assume that Templar placed necro DNA inside the skull, either right after he pierced it, or by applying it directly to the metal oject which he used? There IS an audio/text log that details Templars "theory of regeneration" or something, although I played DS1 ages ago. I remember he says something about inserting DNA into the brain so that is solid fact. It just remains for us to figure out exactly which audio/text log that contains the info. If anything, I believe it is pretty much proven that there were two Hunters on the Ishimura. Whether or not the frozen Hunter is the Ubermorph you encounter on the sprawl starts to drift into the realm of speculation but I believe Visceral wanted us to use our common sense. After all, its detailed that all the necros turned to goo when the first Marker was destroyed, but guess what was frozen? There is an audio log detailing a janitors concern with noises in the wall. Based off of the mans description, when he stopped "it" stopped. When he moved, "it" moved. This suggests that there was a lone necromorph in the vents since it was cautious, though I will admit that is pure speculation. Now lets move onto the next facts. The Ubermorph in DS2 act EXACTLY like the Hunter in DS1. It makes the same sounds, and has the same properties. Now the following is a fact: The Ubermorph is unmistakebly an evolved being due to the fact it is shaded black, similar to how slashers, pukers, and other necromorphs evolve. So looking at all this, we can assume that it is an evolved Hunter. My other theory was that similar to how Urroboros only deems control of its powers to worthy users (RE5), the Necromorph virus may do the same, which would explain why there arent alot of Hunters in DS1 though that is very much speculation. As I said, everything after "there were two Hunters on the Ishimura" starts to drift into the realm of speculation, but I have provided solid enough evidence to at least support there being two Hunters. The two wikias regarding Uber/Hunter should at least include the facts that Ive shown so that people reading them dont neccessarily view "two hunters" or "uber is hunter" as facts, but that they can draw the neccessary conclusions themselves and then when the devs finally come out with it they will already know.71.214.169.221 23:49, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
I just took a look at the "head bandage" picture. I always assumed they did that to commit suicide, since their whole head is covered suggesting they suffocated themselves. As for the blood? Yeah I see it, but as I said maybe they werent "worthy" (didnt have the right stuff) or maybe the blood is just... there. I mean it doesnt seem logical to me that they would stab themselves in the head (actually I guess they were batshit crazy), most likely having other people do it for them. But did they suffocate themselves and then have someone stab them? You know I really dont like having this argument. There was alot that Visceral left out and didnt specifically say about the game.71.214.171.86 00:06, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
dude . . . you are making absolutly no sense, you are creating an elaborate story. It isnt speculation that you want to add, you want to add elaborate fan fiction that adds new segments of lore. This is an encyclopedia not a fan fiction dumping ground, I am sure there is a fan fiction wiki for dead space, go edit there. ralok 00:45, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
Ok, unknown IP user, first off, break your huge story into paragraphs, it's easy to get lost in there. Second, as Ralok said, you're making up stories to add new pieces of lore. Point is, unless you have actual proof (a screenshot or link of the creators admitting it), we can't believe they're the same.--Shade 00:55, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
And one more thing, Anonymous. Dr. Mercer did thaw out the first Hunter, as stated in and audio log:
"My creation is free, reborn in the fierce heat of life itself!" or something related to that. So that gives us a hint that he thawed it, hence the word "reborn". Supertologist(talk) 10:12, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
Umm Ralok is it? Your an asshole. My idea is at least a cohesive theory at the least. I have provided some facts to back it up, the problem is that the conclusions I have drawn from them arent proven by hard enough evidence. Anyways, Dr. Mercer did NOT state he thawed the Hunter out. The audio log you mention, supertologist, says that he recreated it in the fierce heat of life itself. Note he said REborn. Notice the RE in the before statement. In DS2, when in the Ishimura medical bay at some point before you reach the cold storage area, Nicole says something along the lines of "somethings waiting to give you a cold welcome". That is a very rough paraphrase though. Now regarding the bandages on peoples heads, I have no idea why there is a little bit of blood on them but they are covering their WHOLE head, suggesting they used it to commit suicide. And why would anyone bother to bandage up something if they werent worried about dying? This argument isnt about whether or not my comment should be posted anymore. It is about whos speculation is more likely. 71.214.169.120 21:10, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
Did you really just call Ralok an asshole? He has a point. And when he says "reborn" in the fierce heat of life, he's clearly referring to thawing it out, but exaggerated it. And who knows why they bandaged them up? They still did. The only possible proof you have is if the creators admit they're the same creatures. Now, I hope after this comment you don't say the same thing to me that you said to Ralok.--Shade 21:31, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
Anon, you are just so wrong. You are making up ideas that do not exist in any reality. And the 'paraphrase' you mentioned is certainly not off of THE Nicole we all know and love. Please get your facts right you simpleton. PS: 'Reborn in the fierce heat of life' is a reference to the 'heat' used to unfreeze the stasised Hunter. PPS: The body in the second cryo tube beside the Hunters is just a dead body like any other. Please feel free to check for yourself when you play through it again EarthGov 21:37, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
As I said, shade, Supertologist is the one that mentioned the head bandages, not Ralok. As Ive also stated, I can understand why you guys dont want to allow my "speculation", since there is no hard proof to back it up. I UNDERSTAND that this is an official wiki and should contain only concrete evidence. I have also stated that it is your speculations versus mine now and when I said it didnt make any sense that they were bandaged up if they were killed on purpose (either themselves/other people) you basically said "so what" without any other argument. Now Im just trying to get you people to think logically so that maybe some snippets of information supporting my speculation (but not outright saying what I said) may be published. Actually, theres really nothing keeping me from putting a few trivia facts into the Ubermorph/Hunter wikia, because if I placed them there they would be following the rules. For example, someone placed this (paraphrased): "The features of the ubermorph suggest Hive Mind similarities". It says "suggest" so it is following the rules. The trivia fact originates from the idea that the Ubermorph is a baby Hive Mind, but it doesnt outright say that. Now about what Templar says; you cannot assume just because he says "reborn from the fierce HEAT of life itself" that the HEAT means he thawed the damn thing out. Please dont be hypocrites. At least my speculation is supported by some harder evidence. On a smaller note, I called Ralok an asshole because he sounded like a troll to me. Go read his comment. He calls my idea a "fan fiction", when it is clearly not. Please be honest with yourselves and consider I may be right even though there is OBVIOUSLY no hard evidence to place the raw idea on the wikia. And if you conclude that I am wrong even being completely honest with yourselves, at least provide better counterarguments. Noemon is so far the only person making sense in his arguments against me. He is the one that started to get me thinking I could be wrong, which I could be. However, when you look at the cloths covering the peoples heads (I actually dont recall bandages so lets stop calling them that) you can clearly see they used it to suffocate themselves. Since unitologists did in fact commit suicide en masse that idea is very well supported by fact. No matter how crazy someone is, they wouldnt stab themselves in the head with a metal stake (its physically impossible unless someone did it for them) and then bandage the wound after their death (it makes no sense to think someone else did it for them either because they are dead).71.214.174.166 00:31, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
I forgot to add that Nicole DOES say something along those lines. Please go play the game again. Actually I should also, but I replayed it numerous times, and then on harcore (not that Im trying to brag or anything, if anything it shows I have no life).71.214.178.80 00:50, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
-sigh- clearly this argument has no end, so I'm just going to leave it to EarthGov, Subby, and everyone else.--Shade 00:55, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
I got confused with Templar and the lack of paragraphs... anyway.
"I can understand why you guys dont want to allow my "speculation", since there is no hard proof to back it up."
—71.214.174.166
Our point exactly; "there is no hard proof to back [your speculation]".
"I UNDERSTAND that this is an official wiki and should contain only concrete evidence."
—71.214.174.166
Correction; this is not an official Dead Space wiki; such wiki does not exist. It is, however, one of the most active Dead Space community/fan site. We are not affiliated with Visceral Studio or any EA parties.
As for the rest, the article has given enough information about the similarities between the Ubermorph, Hunter and Hive Mind. The article compares and contrasts the information, but it does not create a correlation using that information. Doing so would just turn a speculation into a fact (or, until someone creates a correlation), an issue that happens all the time when speculations are not moderated properly and left unchecked.
As I said before, the easiest explanation will apply, that is the Hunter we froze in Dead Space is also the one we successfully barbecued when activating the Executive Shuttle. It is easier to accept the speculation that the Hunter was thawed by Mercer rather than the to say Mercer created another one as you suggested. The structure of his sentence, like others have pointed out, supports this. On the other hand, there is no reliable source that supports your speculation; like you said, "there is no hard proof to back it up." You're currently throwing everything you can think of into your theory and trying to pass those branched information as fact.
Those people you encounter in Chapter 10 "End of Days" do in fact have their heads covered in cloth and there are blood on the foreheads of these individuals. This hints that there was a suicide ceremony, hence the Marker symbols and candle lights, headed by Mercer himself. It is wrong to dismiss this and assume that they suffocated themselves by covering their whole head with cloths. It's a mad world...
Fun fact: DS2 recycles content from DS1, because it's easier to reuse content than creating new ones. Most, if not all developer does this. Remember to keep it civil! Keep it clean! — subtank(7alk) 04:39, September 7, 2011
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Look, subtank, I dont want people to think Im an unstructured, uncivilized angry unreasonable person. Ive read my previous comments and they werent exactly savage but I can understand why people might have thought I was angry/ect. Whatever. Im not angry (I never said that you said I was angry Im just sayin). However, as Ive said, from this point on its my speculation versus all of yours. You dismissed my idea that people suffocated themselves and said "It is wrong to dismiss this and assume that they suffocated themselves by covering their whole head with cloths." Look; its your speculations versus mine. We cant prove or unprove anything because there is no HARD proof. There is proof though. Yes, I admitted there was no hard proof, but I drew some logical conclusions from some things and nobody except one actually has come out and said "oh yeah I could see that, but unfortunately theres no concrete evidence". Thats all I want to hear. Hell if someone could come up with something that really disproved my theory Id be like "oh, I didnt know that, hmmm..." and then life would move on. We all keep repeating eachother because I want to convince you guys and you want to convince me. On my side I believe Dr. Templar places necromorph DNA into the craniums of semi conciouss people, in which case they turn into Hunters. Someone introduced that there could be many people being stabbed in the cranium to make it easier fro infectors to infect adding doubt to my argument, but that is even less supported than my idea. Now I dismissed this as unlikely, but yeah those people are batshit crazy so its likely that maybe they did perhaps do pointless things. However there isnt alot to back it up since there are no audio/text logs that I can think of. However, I believe there is an audio/text log detailing how the Hunter (or Hunters) was created. I believe that it details that he places DNA into the cranium. I previously believed it was placed with injection but the picture above shows it is a stake. Look I could go on, but alls Im saying is I feel my theory is much more likely than any others theory, since it is backed by a theoretical audio/text log and some logical what ifs, even if they are what ifs. Even though Im just repeating myself again; I dont see why they covered their heads with cloth. It looks tight on their heads, suggesting asphixiation judging from the way their face and bodies are laid out. Their are random dead people with bandages placed on their heads unlike the cloths you will see. One example is the first alive ishimura member that you see. She is a woman and she is keeping a limbless corpse company. She then dies shortly after talking to you. She has a bandage on her head, however since she is alive and conciouss we can conclude that she was not stabbed in the forhead, but merely suffered a less severe blow. I dont know why visceral gave such a huge emphasis on head wounds in the game but I do recall seeing bloody forheads covered in bandages alot. However, if they were stabbed by an infector they would be infected so that is ruled out, and it makes no sense for someone to bandage up a dead or dying persons head up when they meant to do it in the first place. If you want to prove me wrong then do it please PLEASE!!! I dont care if Im proven wrong I can take it Im a big boy. But please, PROVE me wrong instead of just saying I dont have hard evidence. Point out holes in my argument. Do SOMETHING! On a smaller note Mad World is a pretty awesome song. Coincidentally my dad was playing it on youtube the other day... im finding alot of coincidences since a couple of years ago... its very strange. The first time ive heard that song was when my dad was listening to it, now you end up giving me a link just a day later... Anyways, regarding what was said about "the easiest explanation", mine is actually pretty easy. In fact I summed it up in a nut shell at the very top of the page. Its a very, very easy explanation. Its also very logical. I would say its more logical than assuming it is a pre Hive Mind. Now all I have to do is find the proof that Templar did in fact place necro DNA into peoples craniums. I know its out there.71.214.187.89 06:18, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
First of all... paragraphs... can't really stress how much it pains the eyes trying to read your comment.
"Yes, I admitted there was no hard proof, but I drew some logical conclusions from some things and nobody except one actually has come out and said "oh yeah I could see that, but unfortunately theres no concrete evidence". Thats all I want to hear."
—71.214.187.89
Perhaps they went with what I've said earlier, that is to go by the easiest explanation instead of exploring the complex ones. It is possible that what you've been theorising might be accurate interpretation of events that transpired in DS1 and DS2; however, it is more likely that what the wiki presents right now is more likely to be more accurate.
Allow me to poke the holes in your theory... and essentially repeating myself:
Mercer's Experiment 1 log provides that a drill was used to allow Mercer to apply the sample tissue (or Necro DNA) into his experiment/subject's cranium. No injection. Through that drill, the sample tissue was applied to the subject. Do not confuse this with how he killed Temple. We know that great care was given to the patient, though without remorse, due to the surgical procedure he detailed in the log. It is different when we saw him impaling a metal stake into Temple's forehead, which indicates an intention to kill rather than to experiment.
Mercer's Experiment 2 log provides that only one Hunter was created. There was no other. Mercer did not intend on creating more Hunters. If he did, we would have encountered more than one in a chapter. It is also far easier to revive his own creation, which would supposedly be more obedient to the doctor, than to create a new Hunter which would kill his maker.
I personally believe that those bodies with their faces wrapped with cloth are likely to be involved in a suicide ceremony headed by Dr. Mercer himself. Such ceremony did take place due to the presence of Marker symbols Unitologists love writing on the walls and floors and the nicely-placed candle lights. If it was simply a mass murder, it doesn't matter since it would still be considered as a death ceremony headed by the doctor himself. This is supported by the very fact that the bodies are nicely placed, indicating that they were positioned so to allow the Infectors to easily infect the bodies. Now, why would committing suicide/getting killed by impalement is more reasonable than asphyxiation? Simple, the blood stain on the forehead. If they've been asphyxiated, then why would Visceral bothered adding such detail to the forehead? Like you said, "I believe Visceral wanted us to use our common sense." Common sense would say that, "oh, blood stain on the head. I saw Temple and his girlfriend having the same wound as the head. By logical deduction, these people must have been killed by impalement." An open wound, without being treated, would lead to bacterial infection which would be considered unclean by Unitology standards, I suppose. Hence the cloth covering the entire head. Just because a religion promotes ascension through death doesn't mean anyone can die in any way.
The woman we encounter at the beginning of Chapter 2 is simply a survivor. It is unknown if she's a Unitologist, but that does not really matter. She is simply blind, having the cloth/bandage covering her eyes and not the entire head.
Your explanation, as provided at the top of this discussion, follows the same idea that the Hunter can be thawed out of its frozen prison. Your explanation, your words. Seeing that you're somehow more logical, answer me this: why would it not be reasonable to assume that Mercer revived his creation out of its prison, hence why the Hunter returned in later chapter only to be barbecued? Why go through all the trouble of acquiring another sample tissue, carefully place it in a subject's cranium using surgical tools and wait for the result, when you can simply thaw out your creation out of its frozen prison?
The article provides that the Ubermorph is simply an evolved Necromorph, with features similar to the Hive Mind and Hunter; it does not state that it is a form of the Hive Mind or the Hunter. It provides similarities but does not create a correlation, unless the readers starts thinking of one. It does not provide the implication that the Ubermorph is an evolved version of the Hunter nor a pre-Hive Mind form.
I think that you're spending way to much into bridging the origin of the Ubermorph and the Hunter. These theories and speculations are indeed very flawed in the sense that they require a lot of complex explanations. A very unhealthy speculation. — subtank(7alk) 09:14, September 7, 2011(UTC)
When I said they suffocated from the cloths covering their heads I assumed it was from breathing their own CO2 in, not necessarily that their air passage was blocked, which is a much easier death. Ceremony or not, a cloth wont stop bacteria from getting in. However, I can understand it may simply be a formality, simply allowing them to die not revealing the blood and contorted facial expressions from the dead, so yes, I can understand that, however it is somewhat contradictory for these people to so openly welcome death, and the bloody horrible monsters they will become and still worry about what their bodies will look like when they are awaiting infection.
Regarding the Hunter, it is more likely that Mercer (I thought he was templar so now Im confused) simply unthawed the Hunter rather than made a new one, but you can assume that if he didnt thaw him out and that if Im right that he simply didnt know what the hell happened to the Hunter, or he couldnt find him, or both. One thing said in the Hunter wikia is that you can hear or see it in certain chapters of the game. I assumed the "roaring" was from regular necros, and they do roar occasionally when in direct line of sight, or make deep... throaty noises like grunting or yelling. However if you really can see the Hunter in areas before the one Mercer stabs the bound crewmember in the head then that would completely prove me wrong. You mentioned that there are official forums and that this is simply a fan made wikia. Can the official forum answer these questions for sure?67.132.248.2 16:57, September 7, 2011(UTC)
So now Ive read both those logs that youve provided. Mercer is dillusional, though not affected by the dementia. The unknown man is not loyal in any way to mercer, and has no idea what hes doing contrary to mercer. If any of the necros were loyal then the infector wouldnt have killed him. Its more likely that he simply avoided the Hunter, which is attributed by the fact he left as soon as the Hunter was released, instead of waiting for it to kill Isaac. Log 2 does not detail that there was only one Hunter. It details that SO FAR there was one Hunter. Now thinking about it, if the bound crewmember in the diner was the Hunter, it grew very fast. However, we dont know how long it took the first Hunter to grow. We can assume it took no longer than the theoretical second, or that it took some time to fully grow in that tank. We might also assume that maybe Mercer perfected his Hunter creating process and thats why it grew so fast. If the second Hunter wasnt the guy who mercer stabbed in the forhead in the diner, it might be the second guy in the tank that you see next to the first Hunters tank. He is just like a regular corpse so no growth has begun, or maybe he is simply a failed experiment. 67.132.248.2 17:21, September 7, 2011(UTC)
I assume this is the same person we're conversing to, using different IP addresses.
There is much to learn about Unitology; what we know so far seems to be the tip of the iceberg. Their belief seems to encompass not only Scientology, but also Egyptian myth of preserving for the afterlife and Mayan religion... that is to submit thyself by sacrificing their own life to achieve ascension-hood. Hence why I think death under Unitology must be something more than simply committing suicide with a needle.
As for the Hunter being obedient to Mercer, do note that the Hunter is man-made (to an extent). I presumed that Mercer performed various experimentation on the being to test out his regenerative theory. At the end of all those experimentation, the being essentially became a Frankenstein's Monster and would only obedient for a short duration. Like the story of Frankenstein, the Monster would eventually kill its maker when it could no longer carry out its makers orders... something I actually thought would happen in DS1.
Not needing to repeat myself, Log 2 supports my approach of applying the easiest explanation, that there is only one Hunter, the one we froze, then presumably defrosted, and later barbecued, throughout the whole game. While not a fact, it is the most welcomed and easiest explanation to wider audience.
Healthy speculations are always welcomed as long as they are kept in the talk pages... though this is not always the case— subtank(7alk) 17:47, September 7, 2011
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Its complete bullshit to say Im unhealthfuly speculating when you are come up with equally unsupported ideas to disprove me. There is NOTHING to suggest that the Hunter is obedient to Mercer, other than Mercer was not killed by the Hunter. Its just as easy to assume Mercer simply avoided it. However, when you think about the fact that Mercer unleashes the Hunter, he must have some kind of control over it at least before it is unleashed. Mercer is the reason the Hunter is unleashed through unknown methods, or maybe Mercer simply rattled its cage a bit so when Isaac showed up the Hunter would go after Isaac. All of those things are complete speculation, and are almost equally possible, however the easiest explanation is that Mercer simply avoided the Hunter (the easiest explanation applies).
There is even less support for Unitologists being related to egyptions. Other than their love for strange symbols they have nothing in common with eachother. In fact they have even more in common with christianity because they call everybody brother and sister, or at least treat them in that respect, as in their just really nice to people... until they get dementia of course. They just act like nice christian people, agreed? Once more: It makes no sense to preserve a body when the person who is responsible for its death knows what will become of it. However, as Ive said, maybe its just a formality as you said "part of the ceremony" and then it makes a little more sense.
As I think more and more I think its entirely possible that the bound crewmember who Mercer stabbed in the skull might have been simply an unwilling member of the ceremony, and that the second Hunter was indeed the first one, somehow being unthawed, though there is absolutely no evidence at all to support that. Mercer could have just killed the guy in some other place, but he killed him right in front of Isaac, either visceral making a fearful point about what was going to happen (when I first saw it I thought for sure it was the next Hunter and actually went and stomped his limbs off thinking maybe I could stop it), or maybe it is entirely coincidental simply showing us how batshit crazy Mercer is. Lets think about that for a second. Mercer killed a random guy in front of Isaac, and youve previously heard in an audio log that mercer places wall growth into peoples brains. If visceral didnt want the player to put things together that way they would have made it even more clear that the first Hunter was also the second Hunter, so as to make sure people didnt make it out this way. The only thing throwing me off about my idea a bit is that people may have been stabbed in the head to kill them as you say, and then their heads were covered as a formality (part of the ceremony to make them look presentable) and then you ask yourself why wouldnt Mercer put wall growth into each persons cranium, and was the bound crewmember just another (even if an unwilling) part of the ceremony? Theres an infinite number of things I could come up with for why, one of which is maybe Mercer didnt deem them worthy. Thats the only truly blurry part about my theory. Now as Ive asked before, would you kindly direct me to a place where I could get some official answers to our questions since this is a complete waste of time? Neither of our speculations are turning out to be supported, though I still think mine is a little more likely than yours. And how do I make a signature?67.132.248.2 16:52, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
I'll keep this short:
Never said nor made an implication that you were making unhealthy speculation.
Hunter being obedient is simply my little theory, using Frankenstein story as an example.
Religion is difficult to understand without experiencing it first-hand. >_<
Jacob Temple is an unfortunate survivor captured by Mercer. Mercer is crazy. Hardcore players/fans love creating wild theories.
For a custom signature, you would need to create an account. After that, refer to this signature help page. — subtank(7alk) 17:29, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
Hi, once again. I will not take any more part in this discussion as there is nothing more I can add that Subtank hasn't already stated.
I'll answer to your last two questions though. First off, in order to make a signature, you will have to register/make a wiki account. This is easy, you just select "Sign up" on the top right of the page. As for how you can possibly learn what is officially canon, and what's not, the only thing that comes to mind is to contact Steve Papoutsis himself via twitter. I have asked him a couple of times in the past, on behalf of the community, to clarify some (simple) facts about the game's universe and he answered back. Give it a shot you have nothing to loose. And please, keep it civil. --Noemon *talk* 17:15, September 8, 2011
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"Never said nor made an implication that you were making unhealthy speculation." My mistake
"Hunter being obedient is simply my little theory, using Frankenstein story as an example." Im sorry I attacked your theory so. Actually I thought the Hunter would end up killing Mercer in the end as well, so we kind of agree a little.
"Religion is difficult to understand without experiencing it first-hand. >_<" Im actually mormon, but not active in the church. I found the way unitology was portrayed to be very similar to my church, though my Church is very very different (Im also not trying to insult my church but there are some similar egos to people in DS). The ads in DS2, the almost robot like kindness (you know, the way flight attendents usually act), and then sometimes when an opportunity presents itself they try to discuss their religion with non believers.
"Jacob Temple is an unfortunate survivor captured by Mercer. Mercer is crazy. Hardcore players/fans love creating wild theories." Is this just FYI since I reffered to him as the "bound crewmember", or is this trying to say something else as well?
I really dont feel like making a twitter account. Could you kindly ask the questions for me? Most likely since he already knows you you could get an answer faster. If not then let me know and Ill do it.67.132.248.2 20:24, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Seeing as this is not a community issue, rather a "one person versus the community" issue, if you want, I'm sorry, but, no, I will not ask him. Besides, he doesn't know me any more than he knows you :). Making a twitter account won't take more than a minute and it's not like you have to keep using it. I don't. --Noemon *talk* 22:24, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
Hye guys. Isn't this a page for suggesting facts AND speculation? Thats what talk pages are for right? Stop arguing. Ishimura Elite 21:39, September 8, 2011
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Steve Papoutsis has not replied to me and it has been 3 days.71.214.171.106 23:08, September 11, 2011
Maybe another doctor found out about challus Mercer's creation of the hunter, and maybe he found the audio logs made by him after Issac left the Ishimura and he made a hunter and it evolved into the Ubermorph
It is a proven fact that necromorphs evolve so why would'nt the hive mind? it could've evolved in the Ubermorph so it can do more action on the Spawl. You even said it had certain features that it shared with the hive mind itself.
Ubermorph dead or not dead? spoilers ahead
Was the ubermorph killed in the explosion at the end of Deda Space 2 or has he regenerated? Leave your answers below.
Well if the explosion completely obliterated the Ubermorph then it wouldn't have any thing to regenerate so its probaly dead.
(By a wikia contributer)
Maybe the convergence that was happening was going to turn the ubermorph into a hivemind, I mean there were thousands of necromorphs I'm sure there was well enough to create another one.user:Stormtrooper16 01:29, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
We don't know how a Hive Mind is created in the first place. In the first Dead Space, it was said that the Hive Mind was created as part of an experimentation of the Red Marker; it was locked away within the planet when the UEG was not satisfied with the results and pulled the plug. Nothing else was known about the creation process of a Hive Mind.
I do, however have an idea of the process. I think the creation of a Hive Mind is similar to the Gravemind from the Halo series, whereby a collection of bodies compiled together and fused by the alien DNA/genetic tissues would eventually create the behememoth. This shouldn't be much of a disbelief, seeing that one of the many horror creatures that inspired the creation of the Necromorphs are indeed the Flood.— subtank(7alk) 03:13, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
though it was said the Hivemind was an experiment so it was there for like 200 years before humans showed up.user:Stormtrooper16 03:40, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
Bad ass dude?[]
So I just read on the main page of the ubermorph that it was according to steve made from a bad ass dude. Is it possible the dude in question is gabe weller? Vandel maybe? Don't know what happend to her. 98.203.220.27 12:04, November 5, 2011 (UTC) Delta
I think by bad ass dude they were just making a joke.user:Stormtrooper16 20:18, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
Speculative Content[]
One thing we can be sure about the Ubermorph, it has a similarity to the hive mind. When it first entered the government sector, it looked like it was leading the assault so it has to be the necromorph leader. Also in Severed, when the Oracles became twitchers their heads somewhat have a resemblance to the ubermorph.
OK, let me stop you right there. There is no evidence to support that the Ubermorph is the leader, or if Necromorphs are even capable of leadership. Stop inserting erroneous text that says otherwise, as it is speculation. Please stop putting this in the page.
"it was leading the Necromorph assault on the Government Sector and was the Necromorph leader in Dead Space 2."
--The Milkman | Ialwaysdeliver. 22:08, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
if you ask me it doesnt make any sense that the ubermorph would be a baby to the hive mind because so far none of the necros have seen giveing birth other than the guardian. anyways if it was then why doesnt the hivemind regenerate tissue? it doesnt add up to me.67.241.228.3 23:36, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
The Hive Mind In Dead Space 1 controlled the necromorphs through telepathy. The Ubermorph would have controlled the necromorphs the same way the hive mind did, If you ask me, the oracles may have something to do with the Ubermorph's origin. But It could have been an evolution of the hive mind, the necromorphs are capable of leadership because of the marker, and the need to kill only uninfected individuals. They needed to break into the government sector to reach the marker for convergence. They are united like unitology, I don't need a lecture from you and you know I'm right.
-Boomer115
1. Boomer, please sign your posts.
2. You are not right. It is speculation. There is no evidence that supports your claim that the Ubermorph is anything but a regular Necromorph or that it has any connection to the Hive Mind. You can't post your ideas and arrogantly claim that they're facts.
--The Milkman | Ialwaysdeliver. 20:16, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
im confused why do the necromorphs only mutate select few because u always see them ripping people in half or sutch like in the begining of dead space 2 the creature in the air ducts it kills both men like ripping them completely appart insted of leaveing something for an infector.
also why is it that the ubermorph cant just go through the air vents along with other necro morphs to reach the goverment sector and even if there wasnt why not just burst through the door like in dead space downfall like the slasher tore appart the 5 inch thick reenforced steel doors?67.241.228.3 21:41, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
Even if a victim is torn apart, their biomass can be merged to form different beasties. As for the vents, I think they were all covered or there were none for the Necromorphs to be able to get in. As for the bulkhead door, it was just simply too strong for the Necromorphs. Either that or they just didn't notice the door until it opened.--Shade 21:48, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
oh ya i forgot about that. especialy the fact that they could just turn into the corruption insted of a slasher and if they had occupied that area befor then they must have relized it was a door and even if the slashers wernt able to open it why wouldnt the ubermorph. you see him the the very front so it would make sense that the necros were trying to make their way inside and the only one that could was the ubermorph or even a brute like in the first dead space when it tears through the doors like it was paper.67.241.228.3 22:10, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
also in dead space downfall you heard that all the escape shuttles on the ship were depoyed with no one on them. if that was the case then how was issac able to find one and use it to get to the other side of the sprawl?67.241.228.3 22:24, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
is it also possible that the ubermorph is an enhaced necro from the issumura that evolved to become an makeshift hive mind? because it wouldnt make sense than and ubermorph would grow that drasticaly. anyway it would make sense that not all the necros from the original game would have died because of the number of people abbord it. and going with other ideas by other people there may be a chance that there was a second hunter even as crazy as it may sound maby when the sprawl came in contact with the ship and sent military forces abord to clear out the remaining necros they overlooked the frozen hunter and took it with them for reaserch but wile frozen it did evolve?
i personlay dont agree with the idea but it could be a possiblity.NecroMatt 23:16, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
All of those questions have been answered in previous sections on this talk page.--Shade 03:00, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
then i shall readNecroMatt 03:15, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
Oh! Oh! Moar theory time![]
Ok- I think the Ubermorph is actually NOT a Necromorph but actually a member of the race of aliens that created the Marker to begin with. Maybe it is an agent from the alien gov't that has been tasked with heading to the Sprawl to attempt to recover the Marker data, destroy it, or whatever and had also been instructed to wipe out any human it encounters so there will be no witnesses, which is why is it is so determined to stop Isaac. It shows some signs of superior intellect or even control of the Necromorphs because they might see it as a sort of pack leader. This may also explain why it is so calm during most scenes, such as when the security team is slaughtered by the 'Morphs outside the Marker labs, instead of running in like a rabid dog, it calmly strolls in to join the fray. user:Mr Bio Shock 00:33, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
Seems to radical a turn for the Dead Space series. Don't quite agree. Ishimura Elite 04:46, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
What? A few problems. 1. The Ubermorph is very obviously not some "government agent", that is very clear. It has been made clear that the marker is some high tech shit. Anything with intelligence of that level would not be running around going stabby stabby, but would be useing something INTELLIGENT. 2. As you said it appears that the necromporphs might see it as a pack leader. This supports the junior hivemind theory, as the hivemind was proven to steer the activities of the necros, so this may be more mind play by little junior Ubermorph. 3. it's calmness can be compared to that of the Hunter. Although the hunter is man made, he is still a necromorph, and he clearly shows more control than his fellow mass murders. 4. As IE said, that is just too out there for the Dead Space team. They are better than that at making sense with their creativity. Therefore I cannot accept ur theory, and stick with Juevenile Hivemind Theory. Thank You.}) The Mechanan (talk) ({ 18:32, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
Past or Present tense?[]
OtterSurf made this edit to the page. Among all the improvements he made to the article, he also changed the tense of the Ubermorph's description from present to past.
I know it makes sense, but the majority, if not all, of the other Necromorph pages are mostly written in present tense, that's why I think this particular change here struck me as odd.
In short, what tense should be used in articles? This section of the MoS, suggests that it should be past, but in this case, almost every other single page is flawed.--Noemon *talk* 10:14, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
Simple. As the MoS states, if the content is referring to events that took place in the game (i.e. canon events), then use past tense. If it is a gameplay content, then use present tense. The crucial point of the section in the MoS is to write "from the point of view of the resident of the fictional Dead Space universe... [as it] improves reader's immersion into the sci-fi horror franchise." And as you correctly pointed out, a lot of articles this wiki do not comply with this standard. So, we better get started on that. :) — subtank(7alk) 11:23, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
Something I've noticed[]
While I know what I'm about to say is nothing more than speculation, but I would ask you to consider these facts, one is that almost every Necromorph has hands near the abdominal region, whether it is it's original hands, or those that pop out, the Ubermorph has these, some necromorphs have spots on the same places as the Ubermorph, another thing to consider is that every "enhanced" version of the necromorphs is black, from what I can gather, arguably, the "enhanced" version of a necromorph is one that has had a lot of time to evolve and develop, what I think is that a Slasher is the first bloody, twisted phase of evolution into the Ubermorph, and quite possibly into an even more advanced form, and a majority of the other forms are also early phases of evolution into different "higher" forms. That's my idea at least. :P 166.82.245.89 07:55, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
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